Throw away account cause im mortified.
My(21F) parents had a get together lunch among close family members last sunday. Me and my cousins were adding wedding dates from the piling invites to the calenders to make sure we don’t miss any.
I was joking about never understanding the familial ties in our native language (as in how you call cousins, or aunts or just the word in our language) as I was used to learning those words in English. My grandma, through my mother, was joking about how I am being too western and was helping me connect how I was related to the people in the invites.
Four invites in, me on a roll with being too loose mouthed from all the food I was eating asked my dad how the father of the bride in the invite was related to him. He said cousin, and I should have stopped there. But did I? No.
I was bored so I asked him to detail it more. He said well the bride’s grandfather and his mother are siblings. He paused, and added a "Well I would also be his (bride’s father) uncle too".
Now listen, I know incest used to be a thing. I know it used to happen. I didn’t know it happened in mine. So I grimaced and started laughing uncomfortably.
My uncle started explaining more seeing my disgust. Long story short. My grandfather is my grandmother’s uncle. (My grandmother’s mother and my grandfather are half siblings (I editted it from step to half siblings. I made a mistake in the wording), so my grandfather’s dad and grandmother’s grandfather are the same person).
Me and my cousins starting making those gagging noises while pushing the invites away and grimacing while walking around and our parents tried overcompensating with excuses. I know they don’t owe explanation for the choices of their parents and the others preceding them. The generation above mine share the sentiment that incest is a big NO. I don’t know why they kept defending it but yeah.
Here is where I said something fucked. I asked my dad if he realises that his grandfather and his mother’s grandfather are the same person. I added it with a "You know children born from incest have higher chances of intellectual disabilities right?". My cousin added a "Explains why my brother has that". And I immediately started nodding and said exactly.
My cousin does have mental disability and is non verbal.
Both me and my cousin were screamed at and told to come back home later. I know it is fucked to say that but me and my cousin were just getting more and more uncomfortable. We came back later and apologised. But my uncle and aunt refuse to speak to me and my cousin.
So, AITA for saying that my cousin’s intellectual disability is probably because of the incest?
EDIT
Adding this from the confusion in comments. I sent this to my cousin and he asked me to add some more information.
1. They are blood related. I worded the post wrongly by using step siblings. My grandmother’s mother and grandfather are half siblings with the same father.
2. One main reason for the disgust was me and my cousin already knew that my grandmother was 18 when my grandfather was in his early 40s when they got married. The age gap with the added knowledge that they are related was one of the main reasons.
3. Another reason why I spoke on it was because last September we attended a wedding where the couple were second cousins and had blood relation so while my parents and their cousins have moved away from this, others in our families still commit incest. This was why I made the comment on intellectual disability from my parents defending it while incest is a thing in the larger family circle.
4. I understand that I was being an AH and so does my cousin.
UPDATE
My cousin and I since posting this have talked to his parents about the incident. We apologised for the comments and we are good.
I just have to address this, me and my cousin weren’t mocking our brother for the disability. My cousin’s parents were hurt because the way it all went down made it look like we were blaming them. Me and my cousin apologised and said that we were more hung up on what happened between our grandparents and my dad excusing it. We made it clear that we knew they were never at fault and apologised again. I had also mentioned about the wedding we attended recently being incestual and about intellectual disabilities which lead to my cousin making the comment about his brother.
I love my cousin and the cousin who made the comments definitely loves his brother. My uncle and his aunt know that. My cousin is the closest person to him. My cousin has also gotten in multiple fights with other family members over comments they have made about his brother over the years.
Both of us went too far with our comments and his parents understood that it spiralled at the heat of the moment.
My uncle at the end jokingly added that as a punishment me and my cousin should be attending all the weddings we got invites for because both of us have an habit of skipping them.
We are fine, but thanks for the comments.
yeah YTA
Applying modern sensibilities to the past just doesn’t make sense and it isn’t fair. You’re making fun of something that your parents literally cannot defend against. It used to be VERY common for first cousins to marry. in some places, it still is. Would I do it? no,. but im not going to make fun of people in my family who are the product of that. it’s just…uncouth and tactless.
Are you wrong for your feelings about it? No. But you’re an asshole for not letting it go. what exactly were you trying to achieve?
You’re 21. Learn some tact.
I mean, i can relate. Im from an island in the middle of the pacific. When i got older and started to actually look at the family tree i was horrified how many cousins married cousins. But then i realized – well its an island between canada and Europe- its not like there’s was a gigantic dating pool there a hundred years ago. Everyone is literally related to everyone in some way lol. It just is what it is.
ESH
After finding out, you’re right to feel grossed out, but making rude comments served no purpose, other than being rude. Should’ve just ended it after the explanation and either changed convos, or excused yourself
Also step siblings as in not biologically related, that wouldn’t have any affect on your cousin. Unless I’m reading this wrong.
Edit: You changed to half siblings, I take back second half the comment. But still assholey and immature. All the gagging etc while understandable isn’t necessary and you doing that is what made them double down lol and then you insulted your cousin who had no choice in all this. That being said the added information changes this to ESH.
Whole family is off.
YTA
You were just being a dick, he can’t control who is parent slept with and married
Also you are the one that literally asked for more details
Why you hear these stories you shrug and say wild, it already happened there is no changing it
Yeah YTA and you owe a round of veerrrrry sincere apologies all around.
Good rule of thumb:
When you’re talking about someone being the result of incest, you’re 100% the asshole all of the time. Yes, even if you’re “just telling it like it is.”
When you’re talking about the “reasons” someone is disabled, if you’re not their doctor you’re 100% the asshole all of the time. Yes, even if you’re “just telling it like it is.”
As a parent of a child with a disability, I could not love your comment more.
I think this is fair. It’s not like any of the people in that room had any say over their family tree having loops either…
I can imagine it didn’t feel too nice…
Family tree? I think you mean wreath.
OP must be a teenager. Only teenagers surely could say something this stupid and agree and go “mhm.” Not very bright. Considering non verbal autism can happen without incest, obviously, they’re not very intelligent.
YTA. Because your cousins disability isn’t his fault nor is it his parents fault. This incest occurred generations ago, there’s no guarantee that incest played a role in your cousins disability.
I share your disgust. But you were being super obnoxious and embarrassing your family. They weren’t defending it because they agree with it– incest is shameful, and people get defensive when people they love are attacked for something shameful.
Next time, slow down and **read the room**.
Why are you asking when you obviously know the answer?
“I know it is fucked to say that.”
You’re old enough to understand it’s better to hold your tongue, even if you’re “uncomfortable.”
YTA mainly because the level of incest you described likely has almost zero effect on your family having a single cousin with an intellectual disability. You shamed your grandparents and blamed them for something that they likely didn’t cause.
YTA. The chances of a mental illness and being nonverbal coming from incest like 3 generations in the past are pretty much zero.
Youre chastising your older family members for the actions of those who lived before them and they had no say over, and obviously didnt continue on that path.
And you took this as a opportunity to make a jab at someone with a disability. This alone makes you the asshole, every time.
You sound like you desperately need to grow up. Youre still young but the ripe age of 21 is well old enough to know better than to do that.
I really hope youre nastiness doesnt get back to your cousin and send them spiraling because not only are their family members talking behind their back and making fun of their disability but now youre implying they’re also inbred.
You really need to sit with yourself and do some inward reflecting on why you thought it was okay to pick on someone who has it harder than you.
I read this entire thing thinking damn teenagers are pretty mean and unfiltered. But you’re 21 years old? Come on dude. YTA just for not knowing basic common courtesy and respect for family members. Maybe some of what you are laughing about applies to you too, applying your own logic.
YTA:
1) You are factually incorrect. It is *possibly* related to the incest, but there are many possible causes for disabilites. So you were wrong
2) Whether or not it was right or wrong, it was a really mean thing to say.